Curse

Gli · Jun 18, 2009, 10:01 AM // 10:01

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Originally Posted by Darth Durgason

one thing that got me is the cussing he got afterwards, and probably what made kain post this. (if you look at screens he scrolled up quite a bit to take them). If you got rules about bad language, nobody should be doing that either as it is hypocritism at highest level. For the rest i agree with you.

Yeah, I read that, but those whispers seem to be a single person acting out, in whispers that only the OP could see. I wouldn't hold the guild/alliance accountable for that.

Menlai Littiz · Jun 18, 2009, 10:23 AM // 10:23

<3 u

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I have a low end pve guild with like 10 members xD i dont kick i mean most people r experienced we have some nubs who r generally cool and laugh at themselves so its all cool

Darth Durgason · Jun 18, 2009, 10:28 AM // 10:28

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Originally Posted by Gli

Yeah, I read that, but those whispers seem to be a single person acting out, in whispers that only the OP could see. I wouldn't hold the guild/alliance accountable for that.

I don't, they handled it quite nicely (but that one person). In our alliance we got the same rules, and had about the same problem.

One alliance member liked to use profanity words a lot. After several discussions about it and some minor drama the entire thing exploded and he left. He used the words in about the same context and felt it was needed and he was allowed to use them. Rage-quited after a while.

A year later (some months ago) he returned. Never seen him do it again and i know he is having a great time with several of the alliance members. His reactions and chat are very fun to read now and one can just see he is having fun.

Not all of these stories got to end bad

greyhawk · Jun 18, 2009, 10:40 AM // 10:40

i would have kicked you to for taking it that far and going against what was asked of you, to keep it clean.

i have run a few 18+ 100 persons guilds and there is a thing called respect for the guild or alliance rules, if you cant follow small easy rules like no swearing, selling, pcing Ext you do not fit into any run because if you dont listen when it doesnt matter, what makes me think you would listen when we are in a dungeon, elite, prim, mission ext.

Shadowhaze · Jun 18, 2009, 11:02 AM // 11:02

Filter is nice, yes.

I can see their point though. Some people don't want their kids to see that junk. I have nephews that watch me play sometimes and their interest doesn't always go to the graphical side of the game. And if the guild/alliance has rules about it, follow them. If you don't like it, don't join.

And you were there to purposely cause trouble? Sad.
Make your own guild and lead that for a while. Bet you'll have fun dealing with things.

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Sometimes guild just want their people to have, ... hmm ... class.

The fact that swear'n'caps happy member gets em pissed off does not mean they are pussies that can't handle swearing. Its just means they do not want whiny, shouty, sweary kids around.

Bingo.

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

Its a respect thing to not swear in alliance chat. For every single valid reason you can think of to be able to swear, another person has an equally valid reason why you should not swear.

The type of language we use both on and offline reflects our character/personality. Some people have an extensive vocabulary and are intelligent enough express themselves as such. Some people are a bit slower and less educated and must use swears to express themselves because using non-swears are not as satisfying or they simply can't think of a word to use because, well, they're kinda stupid. (like me, I'm kinda stupid in different ways though.

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You also have a group of people who actually think its "cool" to swear. Then we have those of us who have a habit of swearing. Its just part of our daily vocab, although we can control it with easy. Some of us seem not to be able to though.

Its also a sign of maturity. Do you respect the people you play with enough to give in and not swear or do you refuse to give them this small respect and lash out in subtle ways to prove you are superior? Most of the adult gamers I play with don't swear that much but the younger players swear all the time along with talking about sex constantly. This is just part of growing up, kids act like kids and its not hard to tell who's who.

Mature player's are rarer than unsupervised children and disfunctional adults, which make up the majority of any online society. (gaming and forums included)

Besides respect, its common courtesy to be polite. Swearing isn't exactly polite.

Even when you want to say "Dude, You F'ing ROCK!" its still not polite to swear even when you are trying to express admiration for someone.

But sadly things like respect, common courtesy, manners and maturity are not priorities online. This is why we must choose carefully who we interact with. If someone bothers or offends us, we should just avoid them. Thats all we can do without sinking to their level. Why become a jerk when dealing with a jerk? Thats the wrong approach.

As for how you (The OP) handled the situation? My opinion is this. You joined a guild to see if they could measure up to your self appointed superior skill and knowledge of how guilds should work. You used profanity to bait someone into reacting exactly how they did so you could gain attention on the forums due to having too much time on your hands. You insulted the members of that guild whos views did not match your own, in ways everyone should see very clearly. You insulted the guild leader in a subtle way because he/she did not give you special treatment. No one else is allowed to swear on alliance chat, you deserve no special consideration.

So my opinion of you based on your actions is, you're a rude, guild jumping troll who needs others to stroke your inflated ego. You use a well known site in the screenshot to further gain attention and you make light of scamming. You also point and laugh at people who "make a big deal" out of something small and yet you do the exact same thing, only you take it a step further as I do not see a thread made by one of those guildmembers/alliance members ranting about rude, guild jumping trolls who need attention.

You are the majority, without a doubt. So they will agree with your behavior.

/thread

Robin190 · Jun 18, 2009, 11:39 AM // 11:39

I don't really see the problem here...
I would find it very anoying if someone is spamming "bad" words in caps if he/she is hyped when that person got a "nice item"

Shayne Hawke · Jun 18, 2009, 11:39 AM // 11:39

I see absolutely no issue with harsh language when it's not used purposely in some graphic or insulting means, nor between a few people who might joke with each other. With the language filter in existence, there's not a reason anymore to have such a stupid rule in any guild or any alliance.

Nerel · Jun 18, 2009, 12:30 PM // 12:30

I'm torn between the "There is a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing filter, if you don't like swearing or have kids playing then turn the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing filter on!" camp and the simple fact that an alliance can choose to police itself on such matters and if you don't like the alliance's rules well you can RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO off and find one that suits you.

That being said, you left a name visible when you were replying to someone, someone named Vegan... sounds like the guild leader of a certain soulful guild on the Luxon side of the PvE divide... a lot of people lasted fewer than five minutes in that alliance due to their inability not to say RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOity RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOity RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO every five RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing seconds.

Fates · Jun 18, 2009, 01:26 PM // 13:26

I agree with the people in this thread telling you you went overboard. Once you mature a little, you'll understand better.

That being said, judging by posts in this thread supporting your actions, apparently there are a great number of guilds that would love to have you as a member. Maybe ask one of those supporters for an invite.

Toxic OnyX · Jun 18, 2009, 01:36 PM // 13:36

GG Kain, you just made yourself look like a 'tard

I personally do not have a problem with swearing in GC but that is because we don't have a problem with it, but if you swore in AC you should expect to be reprimanded by your guild and allies unless it is specifically mentioned as allowed.

Swearing isn't cool, it isn't anything tbh, but you should respect others opinions and all you really did was bitch in AC baiting them and made yourself look stupid, for that reason alone I would have kicked you from the guild

this topic just reminded me of my favorite chat with an ally in AC

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Ally: Whats Keg Farming?
Me: dull !
Ally: Whats Dull?
Me: Keg Farming xD

that seemed to confuse him for a while

Ghost Omel · Jun 18, 2009, 01:46 PM // 13:46

You wont believe it but i got into guild that incouraged cursing.....Got in there by mistake while were looking for the right guild to be in.. Things you read in chat are just bleh.. not to mention in 6 days i was there they jumped from allience to allience 4 times or so -_-....

Cursing and swearing bad ords..whatever you call them will float up eventually in no matter 18+ guilds 25+ guilds....'Hey look we advertise for 18+ only we will be mature....) next thing you know you are in curse-fest -_-

Swears are not discreminatory..all ages exersize it....Going overboard is sure not mature or polite.. but flipping out cause some 1 said S**t is rather ridiculous -_-..

To the comment about "My kid is here dont curse...etc)..game is rated isnt it..and usualy it said online experiences is not rated ---so.. technicaly speaking it the fault of the parent who plays...Once again iot seems liek the thread turned into.. I am Parent so let me parent PLAYERS in an online game -_-

Martin Alvito · Jun 18, 2009, 01:48 PM // 13:48

Going to borrow from Randal in "Clerks" on this one:

"There is nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others, is there?"

You've admitted that you took to guild hopping for the purpose of finding some e-drama. Then you post said e-drama in the hopes of making other people look bad. However, the fact remains that you deliberately provoked the situation.

This makes you either a teenager or a reality TV show producer. Neither of which is something you should aspire to.

As for rules against swearing: most guilds that have them and enforce them selectively do so to keep out people like...you.

akio pwns · Jun 18, 2009, 02:08 PM // 14:08

K, one thing mr. QQ(Kain) as a officer in wolf pirates[YaRR], i completly would of kicked you the first moment you cursed after caps. why?

1/ Getting a torment shield is not an accomplishment anymore, its been approx. 2 years since NF came out, millions have gotten it, i could buy it right now.

2/ When you start typing in caps for such a long time, that means your acting like a newb thinking its the greatest accomplishment of all time, not needed. lowercase is best. BEsides YOU THINK TALKING LIKE THIS GETS YOU ATTENTION, THAT CAPS MEAN SCREAMING MEANING WHEN I READ THIS MESSAGE IM GONNA YELL IT OUT?

3/ The purpose why there is a filter is not just for children, its for people who are tired of cursing spilling out every five seconds. What part of america you live in? Where the largest HS drop out is? I dont think normal adults curse like its 1974. Buy yourself a new brain and think a bit, might work.

4/ sorry but if you find bastards to be on the filtered list, your 10 years old. Your acting exactly how your parents brought you up, a moron with an IQ below freezing temperature for water in C.

5/ Dont try to class yourself up at the end, thinking saying your last statements makes you a better person in the situation. BTW dont ever try to get into yarr(kurz) cuz you be out in a jiffy.

People pls this game has 13 year olds but is not 100% full of them,(their age not how they act), if you wanna start saying all these 13 year olds blahablah blah, think to yourself, did americas founders curse liek today, does ANY WORLD LEADER curse like in this situation, no because they HAVE CLASS.

Lishy · Jun 18, 2009, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by akio pwns

K, one thing mr. QQ(Kain) as a officer in wolf pirates[YaRR], i completly would of kicked you the first moment you cursed after caps. why?

1/ Getting a torment shield is not an accomplishment anymore, its been approx. 2 years since NF came out, millions have gotten it, i could buy it right now.

2/ When you start typing in caps for such a long time, that means your acting like a newb thinking its the greatest accomplishment of all time, not needed. lowercase is best. BEsides YOU THINK TALKING LIKE THIS GETS YOU ATTENTION, THAT CAPS MEAN SCREAMING MEANING WHEN I READ THIS MESSAGE IM GONNA YELL IT OUT?

3/ The purpose why there is a filter is not just for children, its for people who are tired of cursing spilling out every five seconds. What part of america you live in? Where the largest HS drop out is? I dont think normal adults curse like its 1974. Buy yourself a new brain and think a bit, might work.

4/ sorry but if you find bastards to be on the filtered list, your 10 years old. Your acting exactly how your parents brought you up, a moron with an IQ below freezing temperature for water in C.

5/ Dont try to class yourself up at the end, thinking saying your last statements makes you a better person in the situation. BTW dont ever try to get into yarr(kurz) cuz you be out in a jiffy.

People pls this game has 13 year olds but is not 100% full of them,(their age not how they act), if you wanna start saying all these 13 year olds blahablah blah, think to yourself, did americas founders curse liek today, does ANY WORLD LEADER curse like in this situation, no because they HAVE CLASS.

1/ You may think so, but getting one in GW's current state is pretty hard. And not every player has exploited the biggest of exploits or farms to spend 100k+23ectos on a brace.

2/ You call that caps spamming?

3/ Exactly why its an officer's responsibility to explain things like the rules and such, especially when someone is trying to get more info when joining the guild, and asks for such things. I try to get as much info as I can before joining any guild, yet I just never happen to see officers bringing them up.

4/ I really don't see you acting better either, really. I'll admit, some posts in this thread are fairley intelligent. But yours is not much better than OP.
And that's saying a lot, considering that I made some hasty actions I probably wouldn't approve of either. Contrary to that, I don't think admitting I've said something moronic is all that bad of me.

5/ Truly, who was the one doing the attacking in order to lead to whatever last statement?

paragraph/ You're comparing Guild Wars to the American founders and world leaders?

I'm not really impressed with that post, despite you being a YaRR officer and all. Nice way to represent the guild.

The Scorpion Knight · Jun 18, 2009, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Good fun, but yeah it's mostly just for the younger kids.

Ghost Omel · Jun 18, 2009, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by akio pwns

K, one thing mr. QQ(Kain) as a officer in wolf pirates[YaRR], i completly would of kicked you the first moment you cursed after caps. why?

1/ Getting a torment shield is not an accomplishment anymore, its been approx. 2 years since NF came out, millions have gotten it, i could buy it right now.

2/ When you start typing in caps for such a long time, that means your acting like a newb thinking its the greatest accomplishment of all time, not needed. lowercase is best. BEsides YOU THINK TALKING LIKE THIS GETS YOU ATTENTION, THAT CAPS MEAN SCREAMING MEANING WHEN I READ THIS MESSAGE IM GONNA YELL IT OUT?

3/ The purpose why there is a filter is not just for children, its for people who are tired of cursing spilling out every five seconds. What part of america you live in? Where the largest HS drop out is? I dont think normal adults curse like its 1974. Buy yourself a new brain and think a bit, might work.

4/ sorry but if you find bastards to be on the filtered list, your 10 years old. Your acting exactly how your parents brought you up, a moron with an IQ below freezing temperature for water in C.

5/ Dont try to class yourself up at the end, thinking saying your last statements makes you a better person in the situation. BTW dont ever try to get into yarr(kurz) cuz you be out in a jiffy.

People pls this game has 13 year olds but is not 100% full of them,(their age not how they act), if you wanna start saying all these 13 year olds blahablah blah, think to yourself, did americas founders curse liek today, does ANY WORLD LEADER curse like in this situation, no because they HAVE CLASS.

I heard somewere about YaRR members spamming in big cities...

Regardless.. you sound like a 80 year old Tyrant and not an officer...

Instead of explaining it in normal humane words you raged and INSULTED him.. that a very good quality in an Officer...right -_-

Dont try to class your self above him just beacuse you happened to be in YaRR.. which is ironicly..nothing special.. just another set of guilds -_-. Id Personaly would kick you out of my guild due to your inhumane behavior..

Not saying that the other guy/gal was right you just have sunk to the same lvl if not below....

Nice way to Represent a guild already with a Reputation......

MithranArkanere · Jun 18, 2009, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Swearing is unnecessary and annoying, and so it must not be done.

A demon crushing a baby's head against a cross in a church is not something to be censored. You tag the game as +18 and done.
That demon swearing while doing so is completely unnecessary and should never be allowed. Swearing words are meaningless filler with no real communication value. "Yaddayaddayadda". If you want to say how you feel or what you think, you say how you feel, without swearing.
But cursing it's like flooding with meaningless characters: @#$%&slfdjspiuq004r

And just remember that the language filter is NOT an excuse to be able to use improper language. It's a measure just in case someone does not abide to rules... someone that will get reported and eventually banned for breaking them.

-Sonata- · Jun 18, 2009, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Their Guild, their rules. They don't require a permission slip from anyone, nor do they require approval from a Guru member, as to how they operate and conduct themselves.

Want a guild tailored just for you? Where you create the rules, or even no rules? The ability to make your own is available 24/7.

Arkantos · Jun 18, 2009, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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i love the fact that your all saying swearing isnt a big deal, and even the mods are saying how it isnt a big deal. yet... the word F**k is censored on here. why is that exactly?

Swearing isn't a big deal in game because there's a filter for people who don't like swearing. There's a filter here because...well, if you read riverside, you should know. Being an elite fansite and all, I highly doubt ANet would want to see the word f**k in every riverside thread. I could honestly care less about the filter here, but it's here, and we have to deal with it.

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Swearing is unnecessary and annoying, and so it must not be done.

A demon crushing a baby's head against a cross in a church is not something to be censored. You tag the game as +18 and done.
That demon swearing while doing so is completely unnecessary and should never be allowed. Swearing words are meaningless filler with no real communication value. "Yaddayaddayadda". If you want to say how you feel or what you think, you say how you feel, without swearing.
But cursing it's like flooding with meaningless characters: @#$%&slfdjspiuq004r

And just remember that the language filter is NOT an excuse to be able to use improper language. It's a measure just in case someone does not abide to rules... someone that will get reported and eventually banned for breaking them.

Unnecessary and annoying are subjective. Just because you think emphasizing something with a 'bad' word is unnecessary and annoying doesn't mean it is to everyone. People misusing these 'bad' words can get annoying, but I don't see a problem with using them to emphasize something.

Using improper language is not against the rules, so I don't see where you're going really.

DoomFrost · Jun 18, 2009, 03:39 PM // 15:39

I don't care about swearing, as long as it's not directed offensively at someone, I have no problem with it. They're just words.